Wednesday, January 31, 2007

Ten Questions: Number Seven

Question #7: Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence? It's very strange, isn't it? You have created an excuse to rationalize it.


Let me ask you a question, what evidence could possibly have been left behind that would force the recognition that it was miraculously caused?

Example: we have the testimony of eye-witnesses who were willing to die rather than deny what they saw, and it is rejected.

Example: there was a global flood that created billions of fossils and created enormous quantities of sedimentary rock, as well as deposited vast coal beds, and it is all explained with uniformitarian processes.

Example: the creation of the life itself, in all its mind-boggling diversity and complexity, is explain with random chance processes.

Example: an apparently infinite universe is just "the way it is", with no other explanation than nothingness exploding.

Therefore, even if we were to find an Egyptian army buried on the bottom of the Red Sea, it would be explained as a "mythical interpretation of a historical event". Even if we found Noah's ark in the mountains of Ararat, it could be explained as a hoax, some religious shrine, or a shipwreck brought to the surface through natural uplift. In other words, short of a constant violation of the laws of nature, nothing would be sufficient evidence of a miracle, and even that would be consigned to the realm of as-yet-unknown science, and not accepted as a miracle at all.

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Blogger Noumenon said...

It wouldn't have to look miraculously caused. If the Bible said Jesus made a big volcano in Palestine and there was no summer that year, Tambora-style, we'd be able to confirm the low crop yields in China and see the crater in Israel. Sure we wouldn't believe Jesus caused the eruption, but there would be evidence.

6:50 AM  
Blogger Octavo Dia said...

It wouldn't have to look miraculously caused. If the Bible said Jesus made a big volcano in Palestine and there was no summer that year, Tambora-style, we'd be able to confirm the low crop yields in China and see the crater in Israel. Sure we wouldn't believe Jesus caused the eruption, but there would be evidence.

The medium is the message, and the evidence is the interpretation. Any such evidence would receive the same measure of respect that Zeus wielding the lightning bolts does.

7:18 AM  
Blogger Noumenon said...

Hey, the Shroud of Turin got a ton of Discovery specials and Time magazine coverage. And scientists/debunkers went over it with infrared and stuff, hopefully in good faith.

11:00 AM  
Blogger Noumenon said...

This question isn't very strong. Who cares if there's any evidence. Some things leave it and others don't. And the kind of evidence he wants is like evidence for the Oracle at Delphi. It confirms the events, but it doesn't make anyone believe in the miracles.

Jesus should have just left a spinning disk in midair for people to come to as a shrine... a lot cheaper and more effective than getting crucified, as a marketing tactic.

11:05 AM  
Blogger Octavo Dia said...

This question isn't very strong. Who cares if there's any evidence. Some things leave it and others don't. And the kind of evidence he wants is like evidence for the Oracle at Delphi. It confirms the events, but it doesn't make anyone believe in the miracles.

However, confirming it in such a manner is counter-productive. Since we can find the gases, we can eliminate the gods as a cause of the trance.

8:15 AM  

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